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lacasner · Mar 21, 2007, 02:35 AM // 02:35

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Originally Posted by Thallandor

As long GW2 continue to based itself as a Buy and play for free model (regarless of whatever content it host) it will still be as popular as GW 1 because it will be new then and the business model sells, with or without your support.

Stop crying and suck it up or go cry at some other game forums.

You act as the people are inconveniencing you by talking on a public forum, please have some maturity. Everyone has a right to their opinion.

garethporlest18 · Mar 21, 2007, 02:35 AM // 02:35

I think you people are getting way too serious about this, it's a game not the end of your world and if your world is GW then well you need to wake up.

I've been playing for almost 2 years and yes I have played a lot and I have taken it seriously from time to time, but then I realize that I didn't buy this game for any reason other than it looked fun and the no fee (even though that isn't a big deal). That's all I started playing this for was it was new and fun. It got more serious for me as time went on though, but when it ends, it ends. It's not that big of a deal and like a pet, you might get attached by they go away after a time.

Guild Wars 2 will be new and fun for me, this is why I'm not dying inside because of the changes that will be occurring. Look on the brighter side, this is something new and fun and shouldn't be related to the old Guild Wars even though it has it's name and story. I certainly don't plan on relating it too much and maybe that's why I'm not as upset. If it's fun it's fun and I'm happy, if it's not it's not and I wasted $50.00. But not because of any of the things that were stated in that article. Anything that takes a long time in a game makes it good so it doesn't get boring fast.

Like Guild Wars got, 3-5 months, another game please. I came back out of sheer determination and will to complete things and it wasn't easy. Sometimes I have fun but rarely, and well I'm looking forward to this weekend and upcoming updates and EoTN and GW 2.

Who knows they might not shut down GW servers so I won't even have to say goodbye to it totally.

shoyon456 · Mar 21, 2007, 02:37 AM // 02:37

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Originally Posted by GloryFox

OH and that picture of Gwen in PC Gamer is awsome she must be a Mesmer or a Monk...

off topic, but one of Gwen's phrases in pre as i remember has something to do with her wanting to "grow up and be a warrior like Devona someday." if anet got that wrong too its just another thing to throw out

Juicey Shake · Mar 21, 2007, 02:37 AM // 02:37

2009?.. I will be joining the military in 2009.. oh well. I'll still play GW.. 1, up until then.

Artkin · Mar 21, 2007, 02:39 AM // 02:39

Here's another BIG problem I have with all this....

promised content has still not been delivered for GW1

GW EN won't be released until late this year...so basically a year in between new content

Why keep playing now? That's my question...basically we are being told that everything you have done and will do is for naught.

I think ANet better give us something now and fast, cause I think way too many people are going towards the door if they haven't already gotten there.

I can't count how many friends I've had for the last 2 years that have stopped playing in the last couple of months.

Kalki · Mar 21, 2007, 02:40 AM // 02:40

So far I'm loving every bit of GW2 I'm reading about. It's going to be refreshing to get a new game from Anet. GW1 is good, but seriously it couldn't go on like it was for another few campaigns and stay interesting.

Complainers make me laugh. Seriously, I love reading complaints. Your tears are delicious. I bet 99% of you haven't even read the PC Gamer article. You have no idea how levels will be done. It might be the most innovative and rewarding level system ever invented for a RPG, but you have NO IDEA, yet you still complain. I don't even think Anet knows how they're going to do it yet. They're basically saying "Ok we're making a whole new game and we're not going to design it around the number 20". This is VERY encouraging. It shows they are NOT BEING LAZY and are re-evaluating everything about Guild Wars. Do you really think a level 1325 is going to have more hit points/energy than a level 384? If you do then you're dumb. Higher levels will probably show greater experience and versatility, but they will not make you have "Godly" powers over "nubs".

This is still Guild Wars people. No monthly fees. No mandatory grind. Ever. Why would you lose faith in Anet because they decided level 20 isn't a good number to use to balance their NEW GAME?

Kuldebar Valiturus · Mar 21, 2007, 02:43 AM // 02:43

Please stop riding the "dead WoW horse'.

Omg GW2 will require a computer with internet access required to play!, omgzorrs it's just like WoW! /whine

Yes, I know that Blizzard invented playable non-human races, and the idea of a persistent game world and the whole concept of character development, namely leveling; but resistance is futile, so get over it.

Yeah, if you mistrust ANet so much, maybe you should be playing another game. I have full confidence that ANet can bring in standard game concepts without compromising principles. As for levels, maybe there won't even be "levels". If there are levels they may not necessarily be tied into base character strengths. But, who knows? It's a blank page, that ANet will write upon in their own way.

ANet has well established it's philosophy on gaming and that governing philosophy will be the guiding principle it relies on whenever it introduces new things to a game design.

Philosophy is not process, it governs a process. It's the very operating system of a design, not the hardware.

Rhedd · Mar 21, 2007, 02:45 AM // 02:45

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Originally Posted by Thallandor

To all those pple here crying about how Anet is dumping its "Unique" but dated GW 1 for generic MMO style.

STOP KIDDING YOURSELVES.

The biggest strongest reason why GW was successful wasnt because it has instancing, low level cap or just 8 skill. Its because they offered a non-subcription based online game with decent graphic with a buy and play for free business model. You may enjoy GW for all the things it had, but if GW1 was a subscrpition based model, i bet those QQers wouldnt have come anywhere close to it.

GET THIS INTO YOUR HEAD:

As long GW2 continue to based itself as a Buy and play for free model (regarless of whatever content it host) it will still be as popular as GW 1 because it will be new then and the business model sells, with or without your support.

Stop crying and suck it up or go cry at some other game forums.

I'll stop short of calling you names, and just say that's oversimplified and shortsighted.

IF GW would've started out as a totally run-of-the mill MMORPG, but free, what you say would be 100% true. However, it didn't. It was not only free, but innovative and different.

Was that innovation universally popular? Nope. There were people out there that missed their level grinding and noob ganking. They either adapted to GW or went away to games that better suited them.

In the meantime, GW fostered a customer base that LIKED their game. Some from the beginning, and others that "came around" to the new way of playing an online game.

BAM! GW2! Say goodbye to that and start over.

From everything that we know about GW2 so far (and don't tell me the entire design of the game is subject to change. It's not), it will abandon everything that made GW unique except the free monthly play.

Neat. Now the fans of "normal" MMORPGS will be happy, but at the expense of GW's existing fanbase that actually liked the original game.

Result? The original fanbase stays with GW1 for as long as possible, and leaves sadly when that's no longer possible, while a whole new crowd of MMORPG players join GW2, which must then be prove itself superior to existing games on a comparison scale that was defined by their very successful competitors.

Hope they can pull in those new fans, because they sure sound like they'll be throwing away the old ones.

PS: BOY this thread moves fast! ^_^

Exoudeous · Mar 21, 2007, 02:45 AM // 02:45

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Originally Posted by Artkin

Here's another BIG problem I have with all this....

promised content has still not been delivered for GW1

GW EN won't be released until late this year...so basically a year in between new content

Why keep playing now? That's my question...basically we are being told that everything you have done and will do is for naught.

I think ANet better give us something now and fast, cause I think way too many people are going towards the door if they haven't already gotten there.

I can't count how many friends I've had for the last 2 years that have stopped playing in the last couple of months.

any mmo you play will be gone someday, there is no stoping that. but i also didnt read anywhere that theyd shut down the first game when the second hit.

it also seems like they plan on doing more updates to the original overtime. heck this hard mode stuff gives reasons to play through all 3 chapters again

kalebmordannon · Mar 21, 2007, 02:45 AM // 02:45

I'm totally psyched about the expansion and GW:2. I know one of the big arguments going on is about character transfer from GW:1 to GW:2, and I have to say that I really don't want to take my current character(s) over to the new game. I'm actually excited about the concept of the Hall of Monuments and the idea of creating a new character that can be a decendant of my current one. It really adds to the role playing aspect of the game. I'm actually kind of ashamed at some of the negativity thats going on. All the doomsdayers and naysayers make me sick. Guild Wars has always been a fun and unique gaming experience and I'm positive that it will continue to be one of the greatest games on the market. As someone else said, WoW has some good points, so whats wrong if Anet can take some basic ideas from that game and do it better. More power to 'em. I love the current game, I'll buy the expansion and love it, and I'll buy GW:2, create a new character and pay homage to my great-great-great-great-great grandfather who was a hero in the time of the flameseeker prophecies, thwarted Shiro Tagachi's evil plans, and brought an end to nightfall. Keep up the good work ArenaNet.

Dark-NighT · Mar 21, 2007, 02:46 AM // 02:46

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Originally Posted by Feminist Terrorist

From what is posted about GW2, it will not be the type of game I want. I'm disappointed by the direction the game seems to be going in, and worried about what will happen to GW after this expansion is released.

After reading the summaries, I feel sick to my stomach. I need to go lie down now.

I really Agree with you and so far i've already decided to stick with the original Guild wars and not buying GW 2, having different races already was enough for me to decide not to with it, also not having the possibility to transfer my character is a let down to something i really hoped for.

No gw 2 for me, instead A net would be better of update the current GW engine and keep GW alive.

GloryFox · Mar 21, 2007, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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Zinger314
More loose ends? What's left? Nightfall cleared all the loose ends up...

I can think of several off the top.. such as

The Mysterious War between the Mursaat and the Seers for instance.

Who is the Unseen and why was he feared as an ally of Abbodon?

Also the locations of the other missing Bloodstones.

The Mysterious disappearance of Lord Odran and who he was exactly and his relevance to the GW storyline.

What happened to Gwen? is another example.

How the Dredge traveled underneath the ocean to reach Cantha...

Etc Etc

Crotalus · Mar 21, 2007, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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Originally Posted by Thallandor

To all those pple here crying about how Anet is dumping its "Unique" but dated GW 1 for generic MMO style.

STOP KIDDING YOURSELVES.

The biggest strongest reason why GW was successful wasnt because it has instancing, low level cap or just 8 skill. Its because they offered a non-subcription based online game with decent graphic with a buy and play for free business model. You may enjoy GW for all the things it had, but if GW1 was a subscrpition based model, i bet those QQers wouldnt have come anywhere close to it.

GET THIS INTO YOUR HEAD:

As long GW2 continue to based itself as a Buy and play for free model (regarless of whatever content it host) it will still be as popular as GW 1 because it will be new then and the business model sells, with or without your support.

I agree with this. As long as it is f2p then people will buy it. If you don't then some runescape kiddie will gladly take your copy.

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Stop crying and suck it up or go cry at some other game forums.

I don't agree with this.

Tozen · Mar 21, 2007, 02:48 AM // 02:48

Well, most of it sounds good. I wonder how the new world PvP will work with only eight skills... much of world play is 1v1 encounters and 1v1 doesn't do very well in Guild Wars.

More importantly though, I hope that they'll redo all 10 classes and give them a fresh start with MANY armor choices. This alone will make me buy the game

Brian the Gladiator · Mar 21, 2007, 02:48 AM // 02:48

High level cap would be awsome. I hope that the levels actually mean something too. I want my lvl 45 to be stronger in every way than a lvl 20. This is only if the story line of GW2 can support that lvl cap. I don't want to finish the game at level 30 and then be forced to grind to lvl 45 just to reach the cap and have a "truely" finished character. It would be nice to have a game that would "naturaly" lvl you all the way up to max.
Guild Wars is the first and only MMO I have ever played so my bias is truely limited to only what I have seen in Guild Wars and what I have heard of other games. I want a game that I can lvl all the way to the end. I hated the conscept of ascention because it boosted you to lvl 20 with by killing a single person. Where is the challenge in that!
I really really liked the "8 skills only" part of the game. Having the ability to equip all of your skills at the same time gets rid of so much of the individualism in build design and also gets rid of the complexidy. I like making builds and I think its a ton of fun to have the limited amount of skills just so "in pve" you get diversity amoung builds and you its just a lot more fun! I know this post is a little scattered so I will outline it for you incase you got lost, lol.

- I like the changes to the game that were discussed in the original post.
- The high level cap is something that I am looking forward to although I think that most people, myself included, would apreciate it if the story line supported the lvl cap. ie. people reach max level by the end of the game.
- The one thing I hope will stay is the limit on the number of skills equipable. I don't want pvp to suffer just to increase the "fun" of pve.

added notes:
- dont make multiple servers like wow, I want to be able to play with my friends no matter what server they are on.
- Give us an auction house. duh!
- Get rid of green weapons. It just standardizes the game (I admit I do use green weapons, I use what is available to me)
- Being able to see your allies energy bar in the party formation screan would be kool by the way.
- similarly, keep a similar interface. I like it and it looks good and feels right!
- Come out with the hardware requirements well in advance so that those of us that need to upgrade can have the time to do so.
- A-net, dont be discouraged by all the negativity. Most people don't bother to post if they agree with something, thats why you get mostly complainers.

Lunaeris · Mar 21, 2007, 02:49 AM // 02:49

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Originally Posted by Kalki

Do you really think a level 1325 is going to have more hit points/energy than a level 384? If you do then you're dumb. Higher levels will probably show greater experience and versatility, but they will not make you have "Godly" powers over "nubs".

No, I don't think Anet would be that crazy. But higher level WILL, exactly as you said, show greater experience. So now everyone knows at a glance just how much time you spend in pve. That's good for some people who spend their entire lives on GW. Those of us that actually have other things they have to do and can't grind for levels will be stuck trying to find a group with people that quit because Anet killed the level cap.

I say those who kid themselves by thinking that people won't be discriminated against for not having higher levels are the dumb ones here.

Dahl · Mar 21, 2007, 02:49 AM // 02:49

It's not so much gw2 that's the problem, it's the fact that gw1 is dead now. Why play anymore until gw2 is out? It's pointless now. After you've beaten the campaigns, tried your hand in some pvp, and earned your items, all that's left is to make a lot of money. If the money can't be transferred, then there's really nothing left to do. Why make money when it's going to be flushed down the toilet?

*Waves goodbye to half of the GW community*

Lady Of Hades · Mar 21, 2007, 02:49 AM // 02:49

I'm nervous about change in general. So before I declare these changes "dooming" or "exicting", I'm going to have to see how they appeal to what I want in a game.

I just got good and started with Prophecies then Nightfall came out. I was so exicted about that I decided to purchase Factions. Because I wanted to be involved in all chapters... and future chapters. Now, there aren't future chapters to look to but a new game.

So what will happen to Guild Wars. Once GW2 comes out, will we still be able to play GW? Is there only two years left?

I've got to get the magazine and see what exactly is happening. I will say that I'm pleased that there won't be any fees.. but I'm not a creature that likes change either. Especially, when there has been a foundation of expectations laid before hand.

Thibor · Mar 21, 2007, 02:50 AM // 02:50

Oh well it was great while it lasted. I will get GWEN and probably love it but I wont be trying GW2. To much time and effort went into my toons. I wont be "starting them over" Ill play GW1 as long as it still has other players then I'm out. Thanks for the good times Anet. What a bummer.

scrinner · Mar 21, 2007, 02:50 AM // 02:50

For all those that are leaving and are now complaining of heartattacks and strokes due to the news, I will personally escort you off the servers.. of course you could leave your money with me.. :P

ANyways, griefers come and griefers go. Nobody can say much untill we've tried the WBE of Gw2.